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sidecarkeith



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Docmike
Think you've found the answer Big Grin

Trouble is you've also killed the topic Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way to go Mile,Screw it up for everybody Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: When it's not a HPS Reply with quote

If it's not running wide low profile auto tires it's not a HPS, no matter how much HP it's got. Attention


http://hometown.aol.com/HPSidecars/index.html
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:51 am    Post subject: Rallye racing in France Video Reply with quote

Rallye racing in France is done with street legal motorcycles and sidecars and has played a major roll in the development of High Performance Sidecars. In the Scratch Class the sidecars go up against all the solo bikes for the best time.

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3355w9WOYJA

Results of the Scratch Class (all class combined)
There are 3 sidecars in the top 10

1 GOUZOT Richard Top-sport KawasakiZX-9 R
2 HERGOTT/THIBAULT Side-car Choda1300Hayabusa
3 AYRTON Nicholas Top-sport Yamaha 1000 R1
4 DAVID Thierry Top-sport Yamaha 1000 R1
5 MARLIN/TROUSSARD Side-car Choda ZX-12 R
6 BOMPUIS Sebastien Mono VOR 530
7 DELEURME Daniel Mono Husqvarna 610
8 TROUSSARD Marc Mono Vertemati
9 DAMOIS/DAMOIS Side-car DJ Sport 1000
10 PARRET Florent Top-sport Yamaha 1000 R1
11 BEAUSSE Thierry Top-sport Yamaha 600 R6
12 DEMARIA Eric Mono Honda 650 XR
13 DELAVAL Manoël Top-sport Kawasaki Tomcat
14 LEGER Pascal Top-sport Honda 750 VFR
15 BORIS Jérôme Top-sport Yamaha 1000 R1


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doc,
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Dar



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger's reference to the rallye racing gives a clue to the true definition of a high performance sidecar - it's not a list of what hardware a rig should or should not have, but THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY PERFORM AT A HIGH LEVEL.

Lists of hardware common to today's high performance sidecar rigs: CHS, wide car tires, advanced suspensions, etc , can show us today's state of the art, but, as noted previously, tomorrow's state of the art may be something we have not even thought of yet.

My hat's off to those of you who have actually helped dream and build today's high performance rigs, and are still dreaming and building tomorrow's higher performing machines.
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swaybar2002



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good job Mike..an official definition finally. Consider this:

Magazine reporter:
"Wanted to do an article on sidecars . What is the one you have called?"

Mike:
"If is a High Performance Sidecar, most just call them HPS rigs."

Reporter:
"Sure looks neat. What defines a HPS rig apart from the other sidecars around?"

Mike:
" HPS rigs are like pronography... kinda hard to define but you know what it is when you see it".

Reporter:
" Thanks"
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidecarkeith wrote:
Swaybar, where's Central PA
There's a city near you who's team play in my sidecar colours, because were fans Big Grin


Keith,
Uh..'central Pennsylvania' is near the center of the state of Pennsylvania. Big Grin
That team's city is about three or so hours west and a little south of us.
Claude, from greater downtown Penns Creek.
NOTE: Population is pretty steady here as when one girl gets preganant one guy usually leaves town. Wink
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sidecarkeith



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swaybar Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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docmike



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could always go with the Harley saying about why they ride HD's "If I had to explain, you wouldn't understand."
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

docmike wrote:
We could always go with the Harley saying about why they ride HD's "If I had to explain, you wouldn't understand."


Or:
It is a sidecar and it performs highly?
This may bring a smirk from the pimply faced squid on the Gixer with the $700 helmet but after he gets dusted off in the twisties by the old guy on the sidecar rig doing a three wheel drift on the ouside of the turn with smoke boiling off his rear tire as he waves goodbye his smile will fade a little.
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First full weekend in August!! Thursday through Sunday!!
Weikert, Pa ..more details coming
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sidecarkeith



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swaybar,
Yeah it's just I've visited a few places in the State, and wondered if I been near you.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidecarkeith wrote:
Swaybar,
Yeah it's just I've visited a few places in the State, and wondered if I been near you.


We live between Middleburg and Penns Creek, Pa. in the woods about a mile off the hardroad. Shop is in Penns Creek right behind the store that has the only gas pumps in town. Pretty smal town on route 104 about 50 miles north of Harrisburg. Most people when coing into town will say:
"This IS a nice town WASN'T it?"
Visit anytime .....
Claude, who wonders why all cars don't have the gas cap on the same side.
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2007
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First full weekend in August!! Thursday through Sunday!!
Weikert, Pa ..more details coming
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docmike



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not an HPS

http://ratbike.org/pages/712virago.htm

sort of an anti HPS
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