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legalr



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:54 pm    Post subject: Longer Handlebars Reply with quote

Early this winter I changed the handlebars on my bike from short clip-on bars to longer ones so that I could increase the lever for easier steering. My project took several weeks to assemble all the component parts so I haven't had a chance to test them out on the road yet as winter set in before I completed the change. My original bars from tip to tip were 27.5 inches. My new ones are 32.5 inches. Riding is still several weeks away for me.

Has anyone else tried longer handlebars for lighter steering effort?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Larry , I changed the bars on my old rig ( 1986 BMW K100/ EML GT2 ) from K100RS bars to R1100GS bars /with setbacks .
I didn't do it for the leverage , but so I could get to a more upright position . I had my back operated on , and needed to get more upright .
It did make for a lot more leverage , but it took some time to get use to it . I would turn way more that I wanted too (over steer ) . I had a hard time making small steering inputs , I was smoother with the short bars , but after a time I got so it wasn't so jerky with the GS bars . .
I've put 300,000 miles on BMW motorcycles . From the Atlantic to the Pacific , The Golf of Mexico to Alaska . Everybody say's motorcycles are dangerous . I got hit by a truck while walking . Motorcycles are safe , it's that walking you have to watch out for Rolling Eyes .
Hope this helps ...Patric ... Cool
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legalr



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:16 pm    Post subject: Longer Handlebars Reply with quote

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It did make for a lot more leverage , but it took some time to get use to it . I would turn way more that I wanted too (over steer ) . I had a hard time making small steering inputs , I was smoother with the short bars , but after a time I got so it wasn't so jerky with the GS bars . .


Thanks, Pat, for your reply. I like the more leverage part but I can see where you are coming from though I'm anxious to be able to see how my new bars will affect the steering dynamics of my K1200RS/RX-5. Of course, I could always change back, but I feel confident that I'll like the change and adapt rather quickly to it too. Guess I'm the eternal optimist. Question
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry,

I put a set off Helibars on the K11RS / EML a few years ago, mainly to get a more upright seating position. They are several inches wider than stock. It felt like power steering. Not to mention cut down the Motrin requirements on long rides.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:30 pm    Post subject: Longer Handlebars Reply with quote

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I put a set off Helibars on the K11RS / EML a few years ago, mainly to get a more upright seating position. They are several inches wider than stock. It felt like power steering. Not to mention cut down the Motrin requirements on long rides.


Mike,
It's sounding better all the time. Makes me wonder why I didn't think about longer bars sooner? Big Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well being the backwards person that I am I had went to longer bars on all the rigs we have ever had except for the present one where I actually have gone to shorter bars.

Longer bars certainly did make the steering effort less. Yep, it is true that you turn the bars futher but it is not hard to get used to.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:43 pm    Post subject: Longer Handlebars Reply with quote

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went to longer bars on all the rigs we have ever had except for the present one where I actually have gone to shorter bars.


I'm curious, Claude, why you opted for shorter bars on your present rig? Was it for clearance between the bike and the sidecar? Or something else?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:35 am    Post subject: Re: Longer Handlebars Reply with quote

legalr wrote:
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went to longer bars on all the rigs we have ever had except for the present one where I actually have gone to shorter bars.


I'm curious, Claude, why you opted for shorter bars on your present rig? Was it for clearance between the bike and the sidecar? Or something else?
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Believe it or not the doctor told me that the leaning forward position would be better on my back. I had a crash a couple of years ago on a solo bike and broke my elbow, had a bone sticking out of my wrist, broke some ribs and two vertebre (other than that it was no big deal..lol). Anyhow...Leaning forward would take the jolting off of the back better than sitting upright he said....so I tried it and it sure seemed to work.
The bars on the rig are not real real narrow bu tcompared to the motocross and flat track bars I used to run on a sidecar outfit they are quite different. Thye are aftermarket bars for a sportbike..don't know the actual width.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehehe Claude we ran flatrack bars on our sidecars to. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:46 am    Post subject: Longer Handlebars Reply with quote

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Believe it or not the doctor told me that the leaning forward position would be better on my back.


When we get to Maggie Valley you can try my rig and see how my new bars feel for comparison purposes.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: Longer Handlebars Reply with quote

legalr wrote:
Claude says:
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Believe it or not the doctor told me that the leaning forward position would be better on my back.


When we get to Maggie Valley you can try my rig and see how my new bars feel for comparison purposes.


Okay, will do...we're still on for Country Cupboard though right?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Longer Handlebars Reply with quote

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Okay, will do...we're still on for Country Cupboard though right?


Yes, we are. I've got my reservations all made. And after I read the post I realized how it read but you don't have to wait till we reach Maggie Valley, you can try my rig when we meet at the Country Cupboard or on the way down the BRP.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Longer Handlebars Reply with quote

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Okay, will do...we're still on for Country Cupboard though right?


Yes, we are. I've got my reservations all made. And after I read the post I realized how it read but you don't have to wait till we reach Maggie Valley, you can try my rig when we meet at the Country Cupboard or on the way down the BRP.


Sounds good Larry. We can switch machines for a while. Let me get this thing done and , hopefully, roadworthy first...LOL
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Claude wrote
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Sounds good Larry. We can switch machines for a while. Let me get this thing done and , hopefully, roadworthy first...LOL


What do you have to do before you consider it "done"? Question
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done? It'll never be done Very Happy ...but to get it roadworthy quite a bit yet. Pretty sure we'll have it done in time to play with it here , work some bugs out and make it to Maggie Valley.
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